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Welcome back. I’m Dr. James Biddle and we are doing the second half of a COVID-19 podcast. I’ve got my new patient coordinator, Joy Lambert, here to help me today. We’re still on June 10th, 2020. We just broke this episode into two halves so you could have bite sized pieces in listening to it. In the first half we talked about prevention and how it’s spread and things like that…and some of the aspects of treatment. This time we’re going to talk more about treatment and then theorize about what might be happening going forward.
We already talked about some of the things for prevention. You just boost more vitamin D vitamin C, zinc, NAC, Transfer Factor, melatonin, and Andrographis. All those things you want to really boost up. Now, should you get infected you want to stop selenium, I believe, although we’ll keep an eye on that. Your iron level has to be mid-range. You don’t want to be deficient, you don’t want to be overloaded. Because too much iron causes inflammation, not enough iron inhibits your immune system.
And magnesium….you want to have your levels of magnesium up before you get infected, because once you get infected, at least half of people have gut symptoms. Those gut symptoms usually involve diarrhea. And when you’re having diarrhea, you don’t want to be taking magnesium.
>> No, cause it can make it worse.
So then we’ll go into some other things besides all of those. The first thing that I recommend is medical fasting.
>> What is medical fasting?
It’s when you’re fasting, you’re not going to eat really, almost any regular food, but you’re going to live on some pre-processed food nutrients. And the one we use (in our clinic) is called “Opti-cleanse”. It’s basically kind of a protein powder combined with a gut healing element and a liver detox all altogether. And so that’s going to give you enough in your stomach to take some of these things like zinc and NAC that can be hard on the stomach and enough to keep your vital organs going, but not so much that you don’t go into the fasting state. And the reason is because that fasting state really helps your body to start to get rid of the inflammation in cells that are infected.
>> So is it just too much work on the body to be eating normally if you were to become sick?
No, I bet there’s a little bit of that, but no, it’s about specifically inciting pathways that help end the lives of unhealthy cells. So the same mechanism in intermittent fasting is used to help reverse premature aging and diabetes and has shown great promise in cancer treatments. And it’s all about killing off bad cells, cells that are no longer fully functional, which is part of our normal process. While we live for hopefully 80 to a 100 years ourselves, our cells turn over, and divide into new ones and the old ones get broken down and recycled. And so this increases that autophagy or the eating up of your own bad cells. So I would really fast for three to five days in the beginning of this, you can only fast for so long, of course.
>> And then keeping your water intake up I would think too, yes?
Yes, keeping your water intake up, you don’t want to be dehydrated. I would throw in oregano oil. Oregano oil is one of my favorite antivirals in general. We have capsules…you don’t want to try to drink the liquid you’ll burn your throat with that.
>> It’s pretty strong. I take it regularly!
Right! But capsules are great. We have capsules of oregano oil. They’re 150 milligrams per capsule. And you’ve got to see how well your gut tolerates it. It can be pretty strong but anywhere from one to three or four capsules at a sitting – two to four times a day and you can push what you tolerate on the oregano oil, the worst thing that happens, (and you should be isolated, of course…if you’re infected, but if you’re not..) then you know, Italians are going to chase you down the street.
>> And there is a difference between the oregano oil versus just putting lots of oregano on your food. Right?
That’s right. Okay, next is enzymes. Enzymes should always be taken on an empty stomach. You know, a lot of the bad things happening are from the inflammation. And again, you might want to wait a few days, cause in the beginning you want inflammation, but after day three to five, then you want to decrease inflammation. So we use enzymes, like a blend called inflamazyme, or serrapeptase, or there’s nattokinase…any of these enzymes can work. The big trick is you’ve got to take them on an empty stomach. If you take them with food all they do is digest your food. So you want to take them on an empty stomach in order to get into your body and break down those inflammations and that should help decrease your risk of all that microscopic blood clotting that’s causing the organ failures. So that’s really important. The one I use is inflamazyme. I would take five capsules at a time and do that four or five times a day. So a lot of enzymes I think would really help keep people out of trouble.
>> That’s if they’ve already become ill?
That’s right. This is now treatment. And then we look at decreasing the cytokine storm. And a lot of this you want to do after about the third day, and this is talked about in this treatment protocol, things like licorice, quercetin, resveratrol, Boswellia, curcumin, and green tea extract, which is EGCG. So all those, and they each have their dosages. But you’re going to really push the dosages on these and maybe even reishi also is good for that.
Reishi mushrooms, yes! So all that can be helpful. Then there’s baking soda to alkalinize. There’s some evidence that keeping alkaline is good for you with viral infections. So you take a teaspoon of baking soda and water three to four times a day. The only people that have to worry about that is people with extremely high blood pressure or congestive heart failure or kidney failure cause too much salt. Right. There’s a lot of salt and baking soda. So you got to limit your sodium intake. You got to watch that.
Next is Silver. Colloidal Silver. We use one called Argentyn 23. It’s called silver hydrosol. But this is microscopically disbursed silver, and silver has actually been used in hospitals to clean surfaces, like in the surgical suite because it disrupts viruses. But taking it in the body…that can be helpful too. And then I have down here (in my notes) raw shredded beets. And what that does is it boosts nitric oxide. Now, if you take a raw shredded beets, you might pee red and you might poop red. You’ve got to know that in advance so you don’t freak out. I’ve had people call who didn’t realize that.
>> Is it specifically red beads or do you think golden beets would have about the same (medicinal) effect?
I don’t think the color matters. It’s about boosting the nitric oxide. And again, that’s going to dilate your blood vessels and help prevent the microscopic vascular issues that people have had with this. So that would be like a quarter to a half a cup of raw shredded beets about three times a day. And you know, it’s a food, but it’s still fasting. Then the other great thing is sprouted broccoli seeds or broco-sprouts. So this is a general category called Sulforaphanes,
which is the active ingredients in those. You can also get those in capsules, but you can have your family pick these up at any health food store where all the other sprouts are, they have sprouted broccoli and using a lot of that is beneficial. I would be using like a quarter to a half a cup of that several times a day during infection.
>> It’s easy to go through those containers, and I don’t know if everyone’s aware of this or not, but it’s incredibly easy to grow your own broccoli sprouts right on your kitchen counter.
It is, but it’s expensive…broccoli seeds are…unless you buy them in bulk, they’re actually more expensive to buy the seeds than it is to buy the sprout. So you can, but you want to buy it in quantity to make it economical. All right. Some other things…Artemesia. Now this virus seems to make us sick in a very similar way malaria makes us sick. And that’s knocking the iron off of our hemoglobin. And so anti malarials have been used…and that’s the whole debate about chloroquine, either chloroquine-phosphate or hydroxy-chloroquine have been used for that. And, there was a study published (that said) “oh, chloroquine doesn’t work, it’s too dangerous. It made outcomes worse.” Well, that article was pulled yesterday from the scientific literature. It was recalled because the company that gave the primary data would not release the data and the data looked squirrely, it didn’t make sense. And so that does not look like it’s going to be a study that stands up. And I am actually still fairly optimistic about the possibility of using chloroquine. Short of chloroquine there are natural compounds in Artemesia that are also used worldwide for malaria and those are available (to purchase).
I don’t have the dosages in front of me, and there’s different types of extracts of Artemesia, but any of those can be useful.
>> I’ve heard it mentioned on the news, that chloroquine is taken with zinc. Would it be recommended to take Artemesia with zinc also?
Exactly! The way it works is they’re both zinc ionophores. Meaning that they help transport zinc into the cell and support how it works at some cellar level. So you need to have the zinc on board. And what they say is that if you’re going to take the chloroquine….now they’re using a zinc sulfate, and they’re using 220 milligrams of zinc sulfate…but the other types of zinc get absorbed much better, so I think 30 milligrams four times a day of zinc would also get a very similar action.
>> Do I remember that you said before in a previous podcast that there’s a connection with zinc and eating onions
HHmm, zinc and eating onions? I don’t remember that. So I think that’s about what I had to say about treatment. Oh, I know….what should you have on hand in preparation? I think one of the first things you have is a thermometer, right? You start checking your temperature. Not everybody gets a fever, but it’s very common in this infection. And of course in the workplace now we’re using these no-touch thermometers that you aim at people’s foreheads. The next thing you want is a pulse oximeter for your finger. And people go low (blood) oxygen without much symptoms. I haven’t heard that they go into low oxygen with absolutely no symptoms, they have symptoms. They’re obviously sick, but they’re not having a respiratory distress. But when you check their oxygen saturation, it’s much lower than expected.
>> How much? What would quantify low oxygen?
Well, you start to worry about anything below about 90. Most of us sitting around with healthy lungs are going to have an oxygen saturation of at least 94 to 96%. But if you’re getting down around 88%, you should probably be heading to the emergency room unless you’ve got a really strong plan. And so you can get low oxygen before you get into feeling like you have low oxygen. That’s why people are starting to use it as a screening method. So one of the things that you might have on hand is a nebulizer. And what a nebulizer is, is a little machine that takes medicine and makes it into a mist. You inhale it. So we have one of these at our house for my daughter who’s got asthma. And so sometimes when she has too much allergies, or if she has a cold, she’ll get into an asthma attack and then you put albuterol into the nebulizer and she’s able to breathe it in because she’s not old enough to coordinate the puffer, you know?
And that really opens up the airways and lets her breathe and raises her oxygen saturation. And you can do the same thing for people with the COVID-19.
So having a nebulizer in advance can be very helpful. You need to have a doctor’s prescription to get a nebulizer. And of course you need a doctor’s prescription to get medication to put in the nebulizer. If people are really trying to stay home longer and see if they can ride it out and avoid the ER, then they might want to have oxygen. You also need a doctor’s prescription for oxygen. You can buy oxygen concentrators for only $500. They’re rather large, meaning the size of a two-drawer file cabinet, and quite heavy, but it’s cool to have one, if you’ve got access to it. And even beyond that, if you have access to a hyperbaric oxygen chamber, that would surely be a great thing to have to treat this. But those cost thousands of dollars and not many people have them at home, and we can’t rent ours out to people who are infected because then what in the world are we going to be doing? So those are some of the things that people can do more in depth.
All right. So where are we expected to head from here? Well, there’s some interesting studies I saw that are unfortunately not very optimistic. So the first question is, are we going to have a vaccine? They keep coming out with optimistic news about vaccines, but that’s what companies like to do because it boosts their stock….makes them a bunch of money. There’s never been a vaccine against a coronavirus for a couple of reasons. One is that coronaviruses mutate very quickly and change around. And the second is, is that all the vaccines they tried were too inflammatory and they cause too many problems in people, like the vaccines were worse than the disease sort of thing. So I’m not holding my breath for an effective and safe vaccine anytime real soon.
Another study I saw this week is that because of people doing social distancing, shutting down the economy, wearing masks, they suspect that 60 million cases of COVID-19 were prevented so far in the United States.
>> That’s a huge number!
That is a huge number. Looking at a 1% mortality rate, then that would be 600,000 lives. You know, we’ve had 110,000 people die. So that means we’ve prevented one out of six deaths by doing what we’re doing, but I’ve got to say that those haven’t actually been prevented. Those have been delayed, because you know, we’re flatening in the curve, we’re not taking it down to zero, and there’s really no way to take it down to zero. because we didn’t do….. now, New Zealand has taken it down to zero. New Zealand has announced that they’re now virus free, but they’re an Island, you know, and they were on it quick, they were testing heavy, and they can quarantine everybody for two weeks who comes into their country, so they were able to achieve this. The United States is not going to achieve that. I’m expecting about a two year ride.
Now another study was done in Spain where they did a huge number of blood tests on just a general population and said what percentage of the population is now immune? And it was only 5%. And this was after they had that first big surge that overwhelmed their medical system, but they only have a 5% immunity. In order to get to herd immunity you’ve got to get to about 60% with this, maybe 70%. It’s a long ways off. So this is going to continue to go through the population kind of as a pandemic until we get to that point. And this probably gonna take us about two years to get to the point where it starts to taper off. And then it’ll be more like a pockets of infection, but it’ll be amenable then to contact tracing and isolation, which they’re trying to do now. But it’s really overwhelming to do with how bad it is right now.
So we’re learning more about it all the time. I think people are learning how to avoid it better. Learning how to treat it better. But they’re realizing that, you know, there’s going to be a certain amount of human cost that is happening. I look at my own family and right now the death rate for young people, meaning people under the age of 18 is one in a thousand, which sounds like that’s not so bad. But it’s really lousy if it’s your kid, if you’re the one, I don’t want it to be my kid. No. So I want to keep it out of my house if I can, and that’s what I recommend other people do so that we can continue to learn even more about it and not be a statistic.
So I wish I had happier words to say about what the future is holding for us in the next year or two at this, but I think it’s going to be a rocky ride, both from an economic view as well as a medical point of view for actually getting this under control. Take care of yourself. Do these preventative measures, wash your hands, wear a mask. Do you remember the ‘wearing the mask’ information that we talked about in the last podcast? It’s not really for you, it’s for everybody around you, because you could be asymptomatic. 30% to 50% of cases are from asymptomatic spreaders. So don’t be typhoid Mary! We’ll get back to you with more podcasts from ask Dr. Jim Bob. Did we have some more questions? What’s the latest research talking about? We talked about that. Yes. Oh, the thin line between caution and stress….
>> I think we’re all dancing on that line.
Well, I know some people are way over that line and sometimes I feel like I’m over it.
>> Yeah. It depends on the day.
My favorite teachings, this comes back from when I was a martial artist, that if you’re fearful or angry, you tense up and you can’t act effectively. So action is often necessary, but a high state of anxiety or stress or fear does not help you act any better, and fearful people just do silly things. So do your stress management, be calm, but be wise and take care of yourself, both yourself and everybody around you. Take care of each other. That’s all we can do. All right. This is Dr. Biddle and Joy Lambert, and we’re signing off. See you next time.
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